What is everyone's religion/non religion?(NO Arguments plz)

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Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 24 20:58 - Not trying to start a Religion war, I would just like to see everyone's religion and the Extent of their religion... a good way to learn of other religions... At least... a good way to learn about them IF we don't fight I myself am still undecided, however I lean further towards a spiritual aetheist then anything else(Basically, not an agnostic, but the closest thing to agnostic BESIDES agnostics... We don't start arguing over how religion is a waste of time, that is a different kind of Aetheist, and they tend to be the ones that most people stereotype about aetheists...) So, what is everyone else's religion/non-religion? The more I think about this, the more I think an argument is bound to happen. If you have something to say to someone, say it on PMs, NOT here. Prelude, it would be helpful if you'd delete arguments... I just want to learn about other religions, not have everyone FIGHT over them...
Prelude VIP Moderator Rank : 2	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 24 21:18 - you want a religious thread without arguments? lol you're quite thick, WP. after all, religion had its hands in almost all major wars across history of humanity. Anyways, I'm agnostic. I feel to each their own when it comes to religion, but Jehova's Witnesses, Mormons, and evangelical christians can suck on it. Nothing but wankers and scallywags. (been hanging around lil'G too much)
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chibiyusa Rank : 46	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 24 21:22 - Bleh. All hail Xenu.
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Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 24 21:36 - Yes; I know it is a thick thought, but it still can be done if everyone had self-control(Yes, I just said anyone who fights here has no self control, meaning I think of them as being ADHD, without the excuse of being ADHD of course) EDIT HOWEVER I honestly believe people CAN control themselves with this... If they can't hold their tongue, they are ignorant idiots, simple as that
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Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 24 21:41 - Thank you for agreeing Leo, so what religion are you?
Bael VIP Rank : 5	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 24 23:18 - puh, don't get me started with religion. all i'll say after taking a deep breath is i'm agnostic. i tolerate religions as long as they are not taking influence onto the lives of "heathens" (non-believers and believers of other religions), endangering lives of even their own members (blood donation issue at the jehova witnesses for instance) or are heavily misused for worldly power over others (like the sharia abomination). p.s.: this is actually a quite interesting topic. a pity it was created in random chat, which could vanish any second...
silent killer Rank : 161	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 1:17 - If being secular and catholic is doable then that I am.
NBA Sasaki Rank : 274	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 5:28 - I'm Christian. And what can I say about Christianity? That it's monotheistic. I follow the rules of the bible, and I BELIEVE. I do not like scientific views of how the world came, that "Science has an answer for everything" no, it doesn't. How did the Bible, or the Torah, or the Qur'an come to this world? God created those books, so you can't argue on that. Why? Because there isn't any other answer where these 3 holy books came from.
chibiyusa Rank : 46	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 5:39 - How did the Bible, or the Torah, or the Qur'an come to this world? God created those books, so you can't argue on that. On the contrary God did not create those books. Man created those books based on what they supposedly heard from God. And for dear lord (pardon my language) are we still on about this science vs religion debate? This isn't going to be like the Scopes trial is it? Can't we all find a happy medium between religious beliefs and science? Too much of one can't be any good, can it?
Thilian VIP Rank : 26	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 8:35 - As far as I see religion's a combination of two scientific theories into one: how the world was created and how the world will end. According to believable sources, no one alive at this moment was alive during the world's creation and none of us have yet experienced the world's end. I suppose that doesn't disprove anything indefinitely, but it's a good enough reason for me not to really care either way. Like Bael, I happen to resent the psychological manipulation involved with extreme religious practices. The biggest story in Texas right now is about a Mormon compound (Yearning for Zion Ranch) in the western end of the state that just got busted. A girl (16) called the police after being forced to have sex with her husband (52). Afterward the feds broke in and salvaged about 400 children. Men had multiple wives at the compound, women wore their hair in buns - they never cut it, because then they couldn't wash Jesus's feet on the second coming - and covered up completely from the neck down so as not to be provocative. Children were taught that if they left the colony they'd be tainted by the chaotic outside world, and were made to fear black people. Someone recently made a Wikipedia article about the joint. I feel a large amount of the joy of life is cheapened by constantly convincing oneself perfect living is only in death. I suppose it's fine for people to live how they want, but then they're taught to interrogate others and convert them. Mormons go door to door on bicycles here. I don't match religious resentment toward blasphemy by resenting every single person that holds religious beliefs, but I do hold strong resentment if I'm wronged and the offender feels justified because attacking me is their "religious duty".
samira Rank : 27	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 12:10 - I think the original idea of religion is to unite people, but through time some sick minds managed to do exactly the opposite and put one against the other. There are all though the world, many different religions, different beliefs but one thing they all have in common is to give love and be loved in return. God is as simple as that, men that complicate things. If you're Catholic and can't eat meat on Easter, if you're Jewish and can't eat pork or if you're Hindu and can't eat cow, whatever, those differences are way too insignificant to begin arguments about how one religion is better than another. Oh, and I almost forgot, I'm Muslim by the way. ;)
Prelude VIP Moderator Rank : 2	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 12:37 - Well put, Samira. I have Muslim friends, Jewish friends, Catholics, Baptists, even Hindu. But the one group I cannot befriend (and I've tried) are Christian Evangelics. You cannot reason with them, because they honestly believe the world is at the start of Armageddon, and only thing we can do is repent and be saved. 'What do you think of melting Ice Caps?' 'It doesnt matter, Jesus is coming!' 'What about the collapsing economy?' 'It doesnt matter, Jesus is coming!' Its like they already wrote off the world as lost, and only thing that matters is Jesus' return to Earth to save them. I say they should all dress up in ceremonial robes, drink the kool-aid, and be done with it.
T.H.F.C Rank : 30	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 14:15 - I am Catholic, but the older i get the less i believe in anything. I am currently reading a book called "The God Delusion" http://www.listal.com/book/the-god-delusion-richard-dawkins-3281563 When i bought it my Mum was a bit annoyed at me, as my nan had just died the day before and it was Easter and i had just started a book about the flaws of religion. Since reading the book i have been taught quite a lot about religion that i never knew, for example Jews, Christians and Muslims are all "Abrahamic Religions" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religion Judaism came first, and then Christianity was a branch of Judaism and then Islam another Branch about 300 years or so afterwards. This happened because originally Judaism was a very strict and God fearing religion (he calls it a desert cult in the book...) which was very restrictive and was very exclusive. Christianity was a branch from this, believing in a more loving God which was less ruthless and foreboding. Islam was then the reversion back to Judaisms uncompromising strict rules and regulations, but without the exclusiveness, they included the ethos of spreading their religion throughout the world (and in turn so did Christianity) Both had their own books obviously, the Koran teaching that military conquest was the route to spreading their faith, and the Bible which the Romans used to conquer and build their empire. The gist of what it says above is that Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the same religion, the same God, the same ideals etc. Just Twisted different ways depending on whatever was important to the people doing it at the time. (Heck since then, all 3 of them have split into hundreds of different sects and churches, all with their own beliefs and deletions of the original stories. Hell Catholics ignore the Gospels of Thomas, Peter, Nicodemus, Philip, Bartholomew and Mary Magdalen) These were either removed because they were deemed "unrealistic" eg As a child in Thomas' Gospel Jesus apparently helped Joseph as a carpenter by extending the sizes of a pieces of wood. And also as a child he used to mischievously turn his friends into goats and sparrows (I mean wtf?! that is insane, but apparently its in Thomas' Gospel which was discounted by Christianity as rediculous, whilst walking on water/rising from the dead etc is plausible!) A lot of what is written in the Bible about Jesus and his life, is actually written long after he was around, the story of his birth is parts taken from several different other religions from earlier eras, and also historically a lot of the parts never happened. Eg it says that Joseph and Mary had to travel to Bethlehem because of a census at the time. There firstly was no Census until several centuries later, and secondly it was only written that Jesus had to of been born in Bethlehem because in the Old testament it predicts that a child WILL be born in Bethlehem, so whoever actually wrote the story down all the centuries after Jesus existed, has just assumed that this must of been the place because if it wasn't the Old Testament is wrong, there is no proof of this having happened. Another oddity is that the word used for "young woman" in ancient Hebrew is Almah, which when translating the bible, was done into Greek as Parthenos which is Greek for Virgin! So the phrase "The Virgin Mary" may have just been mistranslated when it should have said Young Woman. (Joseph being a carpenter may also be wrong, considering the word was naggar originally, which means learned man or craftsman, which when translated into Greek became tekton which is carpenter, so he could of been a teacher or something for all we know!) Another thing iv seen a few times elsewhere, not in this book, is the ancient religion of Mythras. I first saw it mentioned on QI and so i wikipedia searched it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythras Coincidently, Mythras was a person like Jesus, who "had twelve followers with whom he had shared a last sacramental meal. He had sacrificed himself to redeem mankind. Descending into the underworld, he had conquered death and had risen to life again on the third day. The holy day for this sun god was, of course, Sunday (Christians continued to follow the Jewish Sabbath until the fourth century). His many titles included ‘the Truth,’ ‘the Light,’ and ‘the Good Shepherd.’ For those who worshipped him, invoking the name of Mithras healed the sick and worked miracles. Mithras could dispense mercy and grant immortality; to his devotees he offered hope. By drinking his blood and eating his flesh (by proxy, from a slain bull) they too could conquer death. On a Day of Judgement those already dead would be raised back to life." (Copied from the quite possibly biased http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/Mithraism.html but still backed up by many other websites) the religion was one the Romans were a part of, which seems to have had influences on modern Christianity somewhere along the way. If you google search it too, i once found a long list of similarities between mythraic religion and Christianity. I could go on and on and on, but im probably being boring. The point i am making is if you begin to read about religion and what not, you find that most of the stories within the books, most of the beliefs etc, are all taken from older religions that go far beyond the origins of anything we know today. Most of these ancient religions are seen as primitive or wrong, eg Stone Age religion is thought to have been quite magical and involved a lot of demons and monsters, they believed in curses, and devils living inside your head. All things we now consider to be headaches and brain tumors they thought were mythical beasts trying to kill them! No one truely believes that these religions are plausible, yet now days wars are still being fought and won over things that are rooted deep in these "implausible fantasies" Its a bloody interesting topic though, one of my favorites! Good thread Wolf Paw :) Sorry to go on n on though, and if any of this doesn't make sense tell me and il edit it or explain it further. (And yes, i do know this stuff i can remember things iv read in books and online etc haha! Although i did go and get the book to find the exact Greek/Hebrew words and the names of the Gospels left out of the bible)
Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 15:06 - think the original idea of religion is to unite people, but through time some sick minds managed to do exactly the opposite and put one against the other. There are all though the world, many different religions, different beliefs but one thing they all have in common is to give love and be loved in return. God is as simple as that, men that complicate things. If you're Catholic and can't eat meat on Easter, if you're Jewish and can't eat pork or if you're Hindu and can't eat cow, whatever, those differences are way too insignificant to begin arguments about how one religion is better than another. Oh, and I almost forgot, I'm Muslim by the way. ;) Wow Samira, I like what you said; GREATLY put, I may be Atheist, but I do think that Religion was originally made to unite people... at least, after having a discussion with my Christian father and Aetheistic mother, that is what I came to; sadly, your right, somebody found a way to make it an act of seperation I know a lot of religious people may not like this, but as rb6k said, Abrahamic religions are the same thing... they all originated from the same god, they are just SLIGHTLY different views on it Other religions, such as buddhism and taoism and all those asian religions are much more different then Judaism, Christianity and Islam... Oh, and Sasaki, don't evolve this into a science vs. religion war NO arguments... take it to the PMS if you decide you need to argue with someone However, I am glad you included Torah and Qu'Ran, that shows that you know your religions quite well
GemLil Moderator Rank : 14	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 15:14 - I am the last living decendent of Jesus christ. I truely think all the world relgions can unite under the agreement that scientology is a crock o' shite.
T.H.F.C Rank : 30	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 15:16 - Buddhism, taoism etc are not even religions Wolfie they are more "ways of life" and "philosophies" religion is just a word we use i guess. Religions have never truely been about uniting people and saving the world etc, they have been groups of people deciding that THEIR way of life is the way to go, and then ENFORCING that way of life on others. Religion and God are not the same thing, God is an idea, a belief that there is something which exists as "the most" in everything the number 1, the first and the creator. That has to exist really as something has to be THE most everything etc otherwise there would be no varying degrees of anything. Religion, is all the parts of everyones beliefs constantly being taken apart and reconstructed into something new and more plausible. Todays religions are just the future worlds history lessons where they laugh at how primitive we are. If we sat down and between us threw out everything that was rediculous about all the religions in the world, and grouped together all the things we considered factual, we would just be doing what they already did with the Abrahamic religions.
Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 15:17 - See, even though I believe in the scientific theory(Both of them I don't believe WELL, but I believe the scientific theory) if it would stop the religions from arguing with eachother, then please! be my guest, if they'd all agree on something and stop fighting then the world would be a better place! My reasons for not believing in a god are quite simple, however, I will not touch up on those here, PM me if you want to know... (However, I AM a spiritual atheist lolz... they aren't hateful of religions or anything, we just go with our own flow)
GemLil Moderator Rank : 14	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 15:22 - My reasons for not believing in God are the gaping holes in explanation and the fact that we have PROOF that we evolved...and if you've ever been beaten by a nun you dont want to believe anyway.
Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 15:26 - you've been beaten by a nun? O.O
T.H.F.C Rank : 30	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 15:54 - I wouldnt call believing in God a scientific theory and believing in Religion a non scientific theory. Its just that it is Fact there has to be a God of some form, wether it be a person, an object, some atom deep in space, whatever it is, it has to be the highest form of existence in the universe, if you lined up everything that existed from lowest to highest whichever was at the highest end would be God. Religion just expands on that idea with infinite different beliefs as to the rest of it etc. The trouble is Nunns, priests, preachers etc of whatever religion, are never likely to read anything contrary to their beliefs otherwise they would never be in the positions they are. If i had kids and trapped them in a room from birth telling them that Gemlil was God and anyone who says otherwise should be killed, Whilst Wolf Paw told his that The Antagonist was God and said the same, the kids would destroy each other over their beliefs as its all they know.
robelanator VIP Rank : 89	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 15:55 - I'm agnostic. I don't find much much comfort in Western religion-- the idea of a personal relationship with God strikes me as terribly vain-- but the Eastern religions (Buddhism, in particular) are pretty fascinating to me from an ethical and philosophical standpoint. Personally, I'm with Prelude. Practice whatever religion you want, just please don't preach to me about it, especially if that preaching is just one big threat or guilt trip. But, hey, if God herself ever wants to talk to me, I'm all ears.
Prelude VIP Moderator Rank : 2	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 15:58 - the nun must've beat her for her homosexual experience whilst drunk :P
T.H.F.C Rank : 30	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 16:01 - I agree with what you say robelanator, it is quite vein of humanity to think that they have a connection with something powerful enough to create the universe, iv never really thought about it like that to be honest, why would we hold preference over animals? God could be a chicken for all we know, they out populate us dont they?! hehe. Practicing what you want and not preaching doesn't lead to as much profit though ;o) hows the Pope gonna fuel the Pope Mobile without all the money he gets! Hehe. I agree completely that preaching should be off limits, although society has fixed that to some extent as most preachers are seen as a bit mental, at least in England they are.
Grand Assault Rank : 10	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 17:19 - In all honesty, I'm all for the concept of religion. I see it as something that has an immense capacity for bringing neighbourhoods and people together under one banner to lead a beneficial and altruistic life that can benefit themselves and those around them. Something like that can never be a bad thing. I believe in the concept of a God who created life. I think the further I evolve as a scientist [no pun intended], the more difficult it is to believe that intricate life has occurred by chance. The symphony of synchronised cellular activity that exists purely to keep me sitting upright, alive, typing on this keyboard is completely overwhelming. On the other hand, evolution doesn't disprove the existence of a God at all. You make life and then give it the capacity to survive - that's evolution. The minor details of specific religions are too far-fetched and modified throughout the years for me to find any credence in them though. Even today I could go to the bookshop to buy a bible and find about 5 different versions in front of me. That's no way to practice a religion.
Zach Van of the sand	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 17:50 This message has been deleted. Reason: coz you can't spell your own satanic religion
GemLil Moderator Rank : 14	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 17:51 - if you were a real 'satanist', you'd know that 666 isnt the real number of the devil. Faker.
Zach Van of the sand	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 17:53 This message has been deleted. Reason: off topic and veering towards 'block'
silent killer Rank : 161	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 18:23 - I know the number. I read at MTV.com a while back. Leads me to believe mtv is a portal to hell.
Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 20:27 - Rofl Silent, that is funny I am pretty pleased to see that nobody has started preaching/arguing/beating the snot out of eachother; Now, if only this could happen with the world in general... Now... I was taking God as a religion stand point I never thought of it from the other stand point of it being the most superior thing... I guess I am slightly agnostic then! Lolz, thanks rb6k, I really never thought of it like that... but... why do people worship that god? Why do people make religions for that god... Religion is a really interesting topic, everytime you find something new more questions rise up... its a neverending unsolvable topic... When seeing it from a religious stand point, I couldn't believe someone whom could make anything, control everything that happens and that stuff... but the most superior being I can see... But... where did man(Most) get the instinctual need to have something more superior and worship it? Man is far from perfect; but... perfection seems like a bad thing... then again; its how most people live in life, that "I gotta be better than you" Instinct isalways there...
Grand Assault Rank : 10	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 21:46 - The justification of a religion is pretty easy. People worship a God in order to give thanks to their creator. It's difficult to come up with an answer to the meaning of life, so if people think they're here to live a good life and to serve their God then they have an answer to that question. I don't think it is instinctual to worship a God, that's why we have people preaching still today. If anything, I think it's almost regarded as counter-intuitive these days to follow a religion. I assume you were talking about the early days though, in which case religion can be used as a crutch for support throughout your life, something to turn for answers in the face of the inexplicable. But it can also be wielded as a tool of control. People might not care much for a prison sentence for their crime, but eternal damnation in the afterlife might get them into line.
Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 25 22:11 - Nicely put Grand Assault
NBA Sasaki Rank : 274	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 3:01 - Still, Wolf Paw, sorry about the bad argument. I still respect all religions, and I never say one or the other is stupid, because they all have a reason to be, and to have. If you're Catholic and can't eat meat on Easter, if you're Jewish and can't eat pork or if you're Hindu and can't eat cow, whatever, those differences are way too insignificant to begin arguments about how one religion is better than another. Outstanding paragraph, samira, I think the exact same. I'd really love if all religions could be united, but seems as SOME people out in the world would keep on arguing with each other. Seriously, who wants a Religious war? Nobody ever wondered why there is a Jew population of only 0.23 per cent?
Prelude VIP Moderator Rank : 2	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 7:25 - I have some strong opinions about how I feel about the whole 'Zionist' movement, but that topic I'd better keep to myself and out of the public forums. I'll just say this. The 'war on terror' has nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with which religion controls the oil that will reach $250/barrel in a a few years.
DefenderOfKnowledge Rank : 143	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 12:35 - I'm not even going to start with this thread. But I will say this: religious debates are not about what religion is "better" than another, even though that's what many atheists think. Religions cannot be "better" because they contradict themselves, so really, only one can be true. I see alot of just strange reasoning here. The first is that many people just assume that because the world blindly accepts evolution, it must be true, and thus man has "thought up" all these religions over time. The fact is that you have to have "faith" to believe something. Do we have absolute evidence that evolution happened? Of course not. Actually, to the contrary. But people who accept that as "fact" simply have faith in that standpoint, the same way a Christian has faith in the Bible, or any other religion. What's really starting to piss me off is how often people treat people who believe in religions as stupid and uninformed. Many people who believe in religions are quite informed, and that's why they choose that religion. And the general idea that everybody clumps all religions together as "Religion" is greatly disturbing also.
Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 14:05 - Now, I don't have much to comment to your post; I have a real hard time believing we are made up of thousands of cells, thats really hard to believe but I can see evolution as being possible, but believing I am made up of thousands of little tiny cells, I can't believe that... it strikes WAY to many questions for me... Contradicting... yes, but for some reason its just me... I do love to learn about religions Though somewhat off topic, I used to try and wonder if anime ideas and writing ideas were REALLY made up by the person, or is there some alt dimension where these things actually take place? Wierd question... but think about it lol; then again, I'm also the guy who ponders if death is really death or if it's an intiative to something new, so call me crazy ^^
Grand Assault Rank : 10	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 14:08 - ...Yama, you are made up of thousands of cells, that's scientific fact. What's not to believe about that?
Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 14:16 - It makes me ponder myself too much... If I am made up of thousands of cells, then am I a living thing or are THEY the living thing, how am I the one thinking when there is thousands of things made up of me? Those are justskimming the water; there are much more questions that challenge me even more if I were to believe it; for my own safety I do not believe... I don't know why, just a wierd part of me that questions everything... Curiosity killed the cat they say; with the amount of curiosity I have, I'd go insane if I believe it... but I don't believe we just popped up here all of a sudden either, I'm somewhere inbetween I guess? Edit: What I am saying probbly makes no sense lolz...
T.H.F.C Rank : 30	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 15:27 - Wolfie, it does seem a bit rediculous that you dont believe we are made up of thousands of cells. Im not trying to start an argument with you etc or belittle your beliefs, but if you got a microscope and looked through it at your arm, or took a sample of your skin etc, you would see for yourself, all the cells that go into one fraction of your being. You kinda picked one of the few things which are proven fact. Evolution is only a theory yes, but there is a lot of striking evidence to support that theory. As i said above, the Bible is historically inaccurate, translated poorly and written by men who were around hundreds of years after Jesus existed. It is commonly respected that Jesus is likely to have existed, a LOT of historical facts and discoveries support this. However, when it is so easy and renowned that a lot of key parts of the Bible are wrong, inaccurate or slightly implausible, and thats coming from a catholic! Evolution does not have quite as many disprovable qualities, since we have dug up remains of animals, researched genetics etc etc.
Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 15:40 - I agree it seems ridiculous, maybe I'll grow out of my questioning thing, but until then I am just gunna put that deep down in me and shut up about it... too many questions... I once spent all night trying to answer all of the questions, I answered none of them... The problem is, there is nothing that can help me answer the questions so i can't give a right answer to myself lolz... Kinda confusing, it gave me a migraine that day, so for now I just ignore cells in general, maybe my beliefs will change, after all I used to be Christian, experiences change you a lot, so maybe I just need to experience morestuff...
T.H.F.C Rank : 30	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 17:13 - Why dont you write your questions down here, and let people answer them for you? No one is going to post lies are they, you can easily look up their answers on google/wikipedia etc. Tis what the internet is for, answers.
Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 17:25 - Alright... How can people be made up of thousands of different things and be able to think as one solid being? if cells are living, I can't imagine them not being able to think, everything thinks, its a part of life... or at least, so I thought...
Grand Assault Rank : 10	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 17:49 - Each and every cell doesn't collectively think for itself, it has been fine-tuned over hundreds of years to care about nothing other than it's own perpetuation and the survival of the organism it comprises. That's why we lose hundreds of cells an hour from shedding skin and that's why some cells sacrifice themselves if they contain viruses or mutate into tumours - they kill themselves to stop anything bad happening to the collective organism. It doesn't think, it doesn't have a conscious, it just has to survive and copy itself for the next generation of cell to live on. Cells have learned over years of evolution that by working together they have the greatest chance of survival. As a result, they all work to serve the tissue that they're a part of, which works in turn to function as an organ, which then works to help the whole organism survive.
Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 18:00 - I guess that makes sense... but I still don't get how something can live and not think... Thats kind of creepy in my opinion... but anyways, lets get back to the main topic
Grand Assault Rank : 10	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 18:04 - Life isn't about thinking, it's purely about surviving. Most of the life on earth is geared solely around surviving and doesn't stop to think about it for a second. Look at insects colonies for example. They don't think about the best course of action to take, they are just propelled by instincts that will find them food, shelter and a place to lay eggs or whatnot. That leads to the question of 'What is the point of surviving, just for survivals sake?' there is no end to it. There is no meaning of life if you just want to be there, existing.
Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 18:06 - Alright, THAT is freaky... But... Definitely makes sense...
T.H.F.C Rank : 30	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 18:17 - The trouble now is Wolfie, what do ya do when you realize that there is no meaning to life and that everything is surviving for survivals sake?! Do ya survive, have a kid and further your species like your supposed to, not do it and end your blood line, or is there something more to it all?
DefenderOfKnowledge Rank : 143	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 18:19 - But humans are different, aren't they, GA? You can't say that human desire for pleasure, and zeal for knowledge came from evolution now, can you? There are so many things that disprove evolution that it's not even funny. For example: evolution is supposed to have happened by rapid genetic mutations. But knowing what we do know about mutations nowadays, we know that they 1) Take an extended amount of time to do, and 2) are almost NEVER good, like cancer. So how is it that we can somehow suppose that millions of mutations happened so that a dinosaur becomes a bird? Well, to answer the first problem, scientists came up with a theory that there were rapid many mutations at the same time. But what about the second problem? To think that a creature might be made better by one random mutation is slightly believable; it might happen. But thousands? Millions? And they all affect positive changes, and they all work together with one another? The mere thought seems almost foolish. Not to mention that even if SOMEHOW millions of mutations were to take place and change the animal, according to research many of the animals that supposedly evolved would never have survived in between their "stages". For example, a dinosaur evolving into a bird. Well, their skeletal system has to change to having less dense bones. But in the time between being a landwalking dinosaur and being a flying winged creature, the being would be unfit to survive with less dense bones on the ground. And then there is the amazing unexplainable story of how life came from nothing. Was it survival of the fittest? Did a rock think "If I'm going to survive, I'm going to need to grow legs, and arms, and a digestive system, and some hair, etc."? And I think you do make a valid point, Wolf. Our brains are just a bunch of nervous tissue connected together. All they do is carry an electrical impulse from one to another. How is it that we can function as a person?
T.H.F.C Rank : 30	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 18:26 - Theres nothing to say that some form of God didnt create the first life form etc, or some kind of chemical mixture we do not understand could have done it in the vast oceans of ancient earth etc There might be a formula when mixed together which creates a living cell. But evolution is focusing on an epic time span so you cant really say "its implausible that these mutations could have happened over time" as we are talking millions upon millions of millenniums. Things are happening in our life time that are proof that evolution is still happening.
Grand Assault Rank : 10	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 18:48 - Of course, humans are very different, but you can't not say that these things have not come from evolution either. At the basic level, things like pleasure and a desire for learning are ultimately only neurotransmitters firing in our brains here and there. There must be a certain understanding that learning will make us more likely to survive as we'll be able to provide for our families more, because education often reaps long-term reward. I think there is no doubt that evolution exists, it happens every day (depending on the organism). I'm not sure how solid a foundation it is for the argument about the commencement of all life on earth though. Mutations in our genes aren't almost always bad, they're there as a mechanism of natural selection. If a mutation occurs that prevents an animal from functioning normally (standing out like a sore thumb for it's predator for example) the animal is usually killed off and never gets a chance to pass that on. If it is good - giving a giraffe a longer neck maybe - then it remains and we have the animals we see today. Let's not forget that cancers are not often a result of random mutations, they are almost certainly bought on by our way of life these days. Virus infections can lead to cancers, I'm sure the immense amount of radiation we're exposed to every day helps too. There are many good mutations that occur in our bodies too that you probably aren't aware of because the changes aren't so drastic. I'm sure a T-Rex doesn't just sprout wings either. The animal that will become a bird must already be small, fairly agile and able to sustain itself should it have the gift of flight.
DefenderOfKnowledge Rank : 143	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 18:50 - I think you just totally avoided everything I said.
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Grand Assault Rank : 10	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 18:52 - Me? How? Oh well, I guess a casual reader will see otherwise.
Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 19:14 - Now this I can chat a little about, but not anywhere near as much as some of the others, I only recently gained an interest in animal life Like GA said, the bad mutations are almost immediately gotten rid of, therefore they are wiped from existence immediately, there are probably thousands(Out of the miullions and millions and millions) of newly born mutated animals each day that die almost immediately because they are not fit for survival, but sometimes something finally clicks and it works out; that one creature slowly adds it's genes to the rest of the population and voila! a bunch of new species Also, I am surprised anyone else actually understands where I was coming from there DoK, it is a wierd question though lolz Also, Cancers can be caused by all sorts of things, UVRs, Radiation of nearly any kind, viruses, heredity etc etc I've always wondered how it was possibl to adapt, like... say in this situation: A fish is in a pond, the pond begins dwindling rapidly, somehow the fish is a lizard before the pond is insurvivable how does it know to adapt...? I've always wondered that... too bad we can't read animal's minds that would definitely be very helpful in finding out quite a bit of stuff... Yeah, I am a very curious person, sorry ;D
Grand Assault Rank : 10	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 19:41 - If the pond rapidly diminishes, then the chances are that nothing will survive. If it happens gradually, then as conditions become more crowded and there is a fight for food and nutrition then there is a selective pressure on all animals to find food elsewhere. If some freak mutation gives a fish some sort of limb that it can walk or push itself around with, who knows! It will be able to find more food around the edges of the pond that other animals can't reach. Let's not forget that the sea hasn't dried up yet though ;)
T.H.F.C Rank : 30	Posted : 2 months, 1 week ago at Apr 26 20:34 - I am trying to find the article but i was reading something online a few weeks back about an underwater cavern which was discovered by divers which had an entire ecosystem of creatures that were extremely similar to other species found above ground etc however they had EVOLVED over the millions of years they had been separate from their main species, and developed the ability to survive in their environment which had no light and very little else within it. Because of their environment they had evolved enough to survive without eyes, so eyes no longer grew where they normally did on the exact same creature we already know. Instead the evolved creatures had other improved ability which enabled them to sense fluctuations in the air composition etc and thus they could survive anyway. I believe, although i may get the element wrong, but instead of oxygen they survived from some kind of methane or sodium or something. I Will find the link!!! The point is, evolution is not something that was just dreamed of, there is so much evidence it is impossible to ignore it.
Deleted Rank : 32520	Posted : 2 months ago at May 3 14:17 - i'm roman catholic. We believe jesus was our savoir and that he will come again to save us all. WE also beleive that the holy spirit jesus and god are one person in three bodies. we are the orriginal form of christianity and the closest form is eastern orthadox
Tori Rank : 197	Posted : 2 months ago at May 3 14:20 - I'm atheist. I think thats how you spell it. Reasons...unknown to the human world. Only the monkeys!
T.H.F.C Rank : 30	Posted : 2 months ago at May 3 14:42 - Koji, the catholic branch is not the first and original branch of Christianity...it is the roman branch of an already formulated religion.
ghostbuster164 Rank : 324	Posted : 2 months ago at May 3 14:51 - well im a christian and prelude in the begaining what did you mean you have been hanging around lil G to much
Deleted Rank : 32520	Posted : 2 months ago at May 3 15:06 - actualy the catholic branch is what became of the branch of christainity in rome. it became known as roman catholic becuase all forms of christianity were cut off from each other when rome entered the dark ages. after that other branches formed but we are the remainder of the orriginal branch of christianity
ghostbuster164 Rank : 324	Posted : 2 months ago at May 3 15:13 - ther is a big diffrence bettween catholic and christian
Deleted Rank : 32520	Posted : 2 months ago at May 3 16:45 - no catholics are christians. it is a common misconception that we are not christian becuase of many reasons
T.H.F.C Rank : 30	Posted : 2 months ago at May 3 18:18 - It is not a common misconception mate, some people are just completely ignorant of the world around them. I know monkeys who know that Catholics are Christians haha, what a ridiculous thing to say. But you are right, everything else is an off shoot of catholicism but catholics were not the original :)
Deleted Rank : 32520	Posted : 2 months ago at May 3 20:34 - i w0rship d3ad p3opl3 and fatal fram3 gam3s!
Dream Rank : 753	Posted : 2 months ago at May 3 20:42 - Well I'm Christian, well Seventh-day Adventist to be exact. If you dont know what that is, it simply means that I follow the Bible and the Bible only. I believe in God and Jesus. I also go to church on Saturday not Sunday. But I wouldnt try to force my religion on anybody. Its everyones choice what to follow.
Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months ago at May 3 20:52 - Well that makes sense considering the seventh day is Saturday... unless of course you go by that other calendar(Which always seems to escape my mind when it is such an easy thing to remember) which then it would be sunday, I am surprised by this thread, where I live if I say I'm an atheist I have to worry about getting jumped or shot ^^' man I hate this place... apparently I live in a very... VERY religious area, Then again, the title of shy artist makes it so I don't have to worry about someone asking my religion or something like that ^^' thankfully I went to a church once. Well not a church, we went to someone's house with one of my friends that night for a religious meeting, anyways, I did not fit in at all lolz, it sucked at first, but as soon as the adults told the kids we could leave we played, considering me and my friend were the only 2 guys there it was pretty fun lol, that was back when I was... 11 I think, basically when I was still the exact opposite of what I am now ^^'
ghostbuster164 Rank : 324	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 15:10 - well cathlics pray 2 vergin mary and joseph (and other people in the bible)and we christans only pray to god (jesus christ)
GemLil Moderator Rank : 14	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 15:15 - Well, Catholics pray to the virgin Mary and Joseph and other people in the Bible, we christians only** pray to God (Jesus Christ).
ghostbuster164 Rank : 324	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 15:17 - why did u just say the same thing i said?
GemLil Moderator Rank : 14	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 15:17 - I said the properly written version of it, for those who don't understand illiteracy.
ghostbuster164 Rank : 324	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 15:18 - oh well thanks
T.H.F.C Rank : 30	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 15:21 - Ghostbuster that is a crock of shite. Yes you might not say prayers to the other members of the bible, but that doesn't mean catholics are not Christians!! It just means they respect more members of Jesus' group. Although i can only recall prayers to Jesus/God/Mary no one else.
GemLil Moderator Rank : 14	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 15:24 - That's because you're not a strict catho, RB. You're right though, Catholics are Christians. Stricter cathos pray to the saints aswell.
ghostbuster164 Rank : 324	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 15:26 - well its your opion but u do know they r 2 diffrent religons
GemLil Moderator Rank : 14	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 15:27 - RB was stating fact there, it wasnt opinion. Catholics, Protestants, The Church of England, Evangelical etc all are branches of Christianity,
ghostbuster164 Rank : 324	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 15:32 - is a agnostic a catholic?
GemLil Moderator Rank : 14	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 15:36 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_theism
ghostbuster164 Rank : 324	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 15:38 - oh thanks but people this is the last time yall r going 2 see me on this group
ghostbuster164 Rank : 324	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 15:57 - http://www.biblepicturegallery.com/free/Pics/10_Comm.gif look at 1 and 2 of the commandments (this is christan stuff) but to gether it shoud say "though shall not worship any idles nor pray 2 any idols besides me (and people)" and that is why i think christans r a diffrent religon then catholics and catholics have a diffrent bible too oh and now this is my last time on this group i just wanted to share this
Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 16:08 - Dude, christianity is a huge umbrella term for hundreds of religions with different beliefs however all of them use the same name Catholicism is probably one of the farthest away branches, however it is STILL considered a branch
GemLil Moderator Rank : 14	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 16:13 - I dont know about America, but nobody gives 2 shits about Catho or Church of England over here...they pray to Mary and we dont take communion, thats about it. We got over the 'troubles' its a time of peace. 'Zombie, Zombie, Zoooooombieeeeee - eh eh'
T.H.F.C Rank : 30	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 16:16 - Wolfie! Catholicism is the main branch, are you not reading this thread?! If Christianity were a tree, catholicism would be one of the first branches off of it, EVERY other form of Christianity would be a branch FROM THAT.
ghostbuster164 Rank : 324	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 16:16 - oh ya u live on the other side of the world right gemlil
GemLil Moderator Rank : 14	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 16:30 - Yup and the catholic branch is quite central to christianity, I have to agree with RB, Yama.
Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 16:32 - Woops, I did get those mixed up didn't I? Lolz woopsies XÞ
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GemLil Moderator Rank : 14	Posted : 2 months ago at May 4 16:35 - I am Church of England, which is basically catholicism; which King Henry VIII changed slightly so he could get divorced whenever he wanted. I went to a catholic school for 5 years and hardly ever noticed a differance, other than I wasnt allowed to eat the wafers that represented the body of Christ, aka, take communion.
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Shino Aburame Rank : 2920	Posted : 2 months ago at May 6 16:15 - there is no true religion of origin maybe god budda amaterasu tuskumi eygiptian gods andothers are real maybe they created all being cus when you think about it you have your religion and yor friend has his how did we come to be if one religion said others are fake
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Hokage_Nayuki Rank : 565	Posted : 1 month, 4 weeks ago at May 7 18:03 - Heh yama...like prelude said....u wanna start a topic about religon and u expect us not to fight? My dad said never start a topic anout religion unless u wanna start a fight^^ ok im a Muslim....and till now i think that our relgion so far makes most sense to me i dont get the fact how christians ever came to the thought of ever thinking that Jesus is Gods Son.... in our religion we call it Haram....which means its a Sin
Deleted Rank : 32520	Posted : 1 month, 4 weeks ago at May 7 19:33 - yeah well he saved us by putting himself up on the cross and why do we have to fight i mean if there is a god like we all think there is then why are fighting about the same person. sure we call him different things but he is the same person for all of us
Hokage_Nayuki Rank : 565	Posted : 1 month, 4 weeks ago at May 7 23:18 - yes true but wat we say about god makes us fight. and in our book Qur'an God said that jesus never died while he was on the cross...He took jesus's soul and he mafe the person who betrayed jesus look like jesus fooling everyone that the guy who betrayed jesus was jesus (i dont think i made any sense but oh well) Btw our book Qur'an is never a fake...because it contains of 100% words from our God. no one dares to change or edit it. not trying to pick a fight....just wondering y christians change our lords words
Dionysian Child Rank : 92	Posted : 1 month, 4 weeks ago at May 8 13:14 - I never knew that Muslims believed that. I didn't quite understand what you were saying though. Do you mean that someone took Jesus off the cross and replaced the body with that of Judus to fool people? The Romans were pretty good at their job as executioners. If they got it wrong they themselves were killed. The day after Jesus was being killed was the Jews Holy day, and so the Romans wanted all the prisoners dead before then. They broke the prisoners knees on either side of Jesus thus making them die quickly, but found Jesus to already be dead. To make sure (because he was such an important prisoner and so much publicity was given to the case) they speared his side. His body was then taken down and put in a borrowed friends tomb wrapped and guarded by Roman soldiers to make sure no-one stole the body again if they lost the body they would pay for it with thier lives. Acounts of all this exist obviously in the bible but also are recorded by Roman historians and in their execution lists, but also by Jews and the Pharasies who thought his death was execellent as it would put an end to all of his teachings and followers.
Dream Rank : 753	Posted : 1 month, 4 weeks ago at May 8 23:19 - In response to the christianity is a big umbrella thought, I think that the word christian has been debased to just something you tell people. It has no meaning anymore. I, personally, hate saying that I'm a Christian. I only say it so people won't give me totally blank looks when I say Seventh-day Adventist. But yeah, I don't really appreciate being put in the same boat with Catholics. I only pray to God. Not all the Mary, Joseph and saint crap. (no offense to catholics, not trying to pick a fight.)
Hokage_Nayuki Rank : 565	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 9 0:44 - @D Child well u kinda got the point but....God fooled everyone who thought that jesus was being crusified by making the betrayer look the same exact details of jesus...so they captured the wrong person and crusified him.....where as for jesus...God took his soul in a better and much safer way
Phil Rank : 21	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 9 3:17 - Brought up as a Methodist (another denomination of Christianity), but basically agnostic. It'd be nice to believe that there's some kind of God that's basically a decent kind of being, but I don't have that kind of faith. It doesn't make much sense to me really. I do think there's a lot to take from the Bible though (not looked at other religion's texts - Scientology aside, which is just silly IMHO) in terms of how to best live your life. Some of the ambiguity is a bit unfortunate, and some of the morals of the time in which it was written probably don't fit in 21st Century Western culture, but generally it's got a good bunch of morals running through the core of it. Arrancar_Nana Yuki - It's a bit difficult to know what the original words of God (as Christians see Him) were. Many books of the Bible weren't written down until much later, so naturally it's possible that things were changed. Once beyond that, and even with those that were written down at the time, there's the issue of translation from the original text into the language of choice. A small minority of Christians choose to read the original, untranslated text, but for many it's far easier to read a tranlastion. Inherent in this is the fact that the "actual" words aren't going to be the same. However, if you compare versions of the Bible - The Good News to the King James versions, for example - while one may be written in English that's a little easier to understand and simplified, the tone and meaning of both is pretty much identical in most places. The majority of translations agree on the whole.
white blood Rank : 963	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 9 5:51 - i'm muslim :D:D and i'm not a terrorist :P lol i have Christian freinds
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GemLil Moderator Rank : 14	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 9 11:07 - I don't really appreciate being put in the same boat with Catholics. I only pray to God. Not all the Mary, Joseph and saint crap. I fail to see how this isnt offensive. I have been friends with catholics all my life; other dominions of Christianity may see it as over-zealous, but american christianity is more than a match for it in terms of fundamentalism. So what if they want to pray to saints? Isnt it just a by-route to praying to God? He made them 'divine' after all. You are in the same boat so like it or lump it. Its the same freaking God and practically the same bible. Isnt it funny how those of us who arn't relgious seem to be more 'christian' than many christians. 2 men go before God, one has done marvellous things all his life, given to charity and helped the needy, knowing he will get his reward in heaven, another has done all of those things; expecting no reward. Just acting through pure kindness. I'd always prefer to be the latter. If there is a heaven; I'm sure the bouncers wont be letting in people who are looking for fragmentation. If heaven is full of christians slagging off anything that may wish to practice relgion, slightly differently; well I dont want to be there. Why cant people just accept life and the people in it the way it is?; live in the present and carpe dium. There are so many relgions anyway; the odds are you've picked the wrong one...might aswell enjoy life and let your moral compass be your guide.
Ashurii Kisate Rank : 202	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 9 13:25 - I was baptized as a Lutheran/Christian at age 13, so that's what I am, i guess. I leagally belong to God now...lmao. I'm not that religious, but I do believe in God, and I do talk and pray to him sometimes.
I'M A CRAZY NUT :D Rank : 7863	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 9 16:03 - oo i'm a just a christian my family ownz a church and stuff so i like have 2 pray read the bible so i no a lot about god so hav any thing 2 ask hitme up
Deleted Rank : 32520	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 9 16:48 - yeah realy i have notice that those that aren't christian act more like christians then the real ones. but then again no human is perfect. Now may i pose a question. 1:What if there was a budist christian? Budist do not harm living things and try to do the best they can. To me we would have the perfect christian
Grand Assault Rank : 10	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 9 19:07 - Unlike Christians who go out of their way to hurt living things and do the worst they can!
Dionysian Child Rank : 92	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 9 19:39 - The second you claim to be something, whether is be Christian, Buddhist or other you come under scrutiny for that faith. Of course your going to fail as your human. The great thing about your faith may be that you believe your God will forgive you, but you will be held accountable as a witness by those around you and judged by them. Arrancar_Nana Yuki- So do all Muslims believe that God took Jesus' body and replaced it with that of Judas to be crucified? why would he do that?
Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 9 22:28 - I don't believe any Muslim is a terrorist, the ones who suicide bomb, well sure, they are a little... odd... but they are just fighting for what they believe in, and they happen to believe in it enough to give their lives to it. Strong, strong beliefs I happen to be friends with quite a few Muslims, one who happens to hate most Atheists... though that is because most people see an atheist as someone who hates religion and wants nothing to do with it, Atheoi, the origin of the word Atheist, means "Without god" do you see god-hater in there at all? No, just some of them hate god, you can call that ground anti-religious atheists... And, quite the contrary, I may not believe in god, but I still find religion to be extremely interesting, it's fun learning about new and old religions and how they worked and what was involved in them Arrancar_Nana Yuki Rank : 628 Posted : 2 days, 4 hours ago at May 7 18:03 - Heh yama...like prelude said....u wanna start a topic about religon and u expect us not to fight? My dad said never start a topic anout religion unless u wanna start a fight^^ ok im a Muslim....and till now i think that our relgion so far makes most sense to me i dont get the fact how christians ever came to the thought of ever thinking that Jesus is Gods Son.... in our religion we call it Haram....which means its a Sin Yuki, I am expecting that the people here have enough self control not to, it really would be pathetic for grown people to fight over such a silly thing, believe whatever you want to believe, it is part of life, nobody can take away your beliefs, even if you cannot show it on the outside, the inside still has it secretly
Illusion Rank : 171	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 10 10:41 - I think that most religeons are good and well I mean they form the foundations of society like no bigamy ,no stealing ,do not murder etc.
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T.H.F.C Rank : 30	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 10 16:01 - I am quite surprised to read that people seriously believe God "Replaced Jesus with a replica he made from Judas" Aren't Judas' days post crucifixion as well documented as all the other disciples?!
Dream Rank : 753	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 10 16:29 - I fail to see how this isnt offensive. I have been friends with catholics all my life; other dominions of Christianity may see it as over-zealous, but american christianity is more than a match for it in terms of fundamentalism. So what if they want to pray to saints? Isnt it just a by-route to praying to God? He made them 'divine' after all. I'm sorry Gem. I guess that was offensive. I really dont have anything against catholics themselves. Theres many good people out there who are catholic. I just disagree with the belief that Mary, Joseph, or those saints were in any way divine. Only God's divine. Jesus even lost His divinity while he was on earth. I mean, you could argue that those saints were filled with the Holy Spirit. I do believe in the Holy Spirit. (The whole Trinity.) But divine is implying that they were somehow exempt from the plan of salvation or were equal to God. I dont agree with that.
Deleted Rank : 32520	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 10 18:10 - no divine means that they were chosen by god to spread his message. and look some of the saints made huge mistakes in their lives. i mena pope john paul the second was polish and alive during the second world war. he suffered terribly and then later on in life he became the pope
Physch Rank : 4091	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 10 19:18 - I am a southern baptist. I do not beleive the whole"science has an answer for everything" thing, though my grandpa thinks you can beleive in both. I'm am completely religion tolerant, after all, my best freind(and cousin) is a buddhist, my favorite uncles jewish, and my great aunt is catholic. So i'm definitely not trying to start anything.
Dream Rank : 753	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 10 19:25 - no divine means that they were chosen by god to spread his message. Everyone is chosen to spread God's message. Its just our place to accept it or not. No, divine means to be as good as God. Nobody can be divine but Him,Jesus and the Holy Spirit. We are justified by his righteousness but no one is divine.
:::Jackie~Lez::: Rank : 2389	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 10 21:19 - I am roman catholic
sasuke-kun Rank : 613	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 11 6:36 - christian
Deleted Rank : 32520	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 11 9:49 - listen divine means chosen by god himself, actualy having him tell you through an angel or himself that you are to spread his message to the world and that you are to help bring the world peace
Dream Rank : 753	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 11 13:24 - Whatever. Have it your way. I dont want to argue. But thats not what divine means. Look it up. and theres no such thing as world peace. The world is a sinful place, incapable of all being peaceful at the same time. As the end nears, this world is going to get worse and worse. Then Jesus will come. (Sorry if it seems like I have an opinion on everything, but Im just speaking my mind.)
Hokage_Nayuki Rank : 565	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 11 18:58 - no yama....it doesnt matter if ur big or small believe me both my dad and his friend were yelling on top of their voices about this subject and i ....well i really actually couldnt stop laughing coz they both looked like kids to being with....nd half of wat they said made the same points over and over but they just dint want to agree to it. Ofcourse i was punished for that lame action that i did but seriously they had to act their age
Wolf-Paw Rank : 98	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 12 20:56 - and theres no such thing as world peace. The world is a sinful place, incapable of all being peaceful at the same time. As the end nears, this world is going to get worse and worse. Wow Dream, I couldn't have said it better myself; Seriously Main Entry: 1di·vine Pronunciation: \də-ˈvīn\ Function: adjective Inflected Form(s): di·vin·er; di·vin·est Etymology: Middle English divin, from Anglo-French, from Latin divinus, from divus god — more at deity Date: 14th century 1 a: of, relating to, or proceeding directly from God or a god b: being a deity c: directed to a deity 2 a: supremely good : superb b: heavenly, godlike — di·vine·ly adverb There is the meaning of Divine (Adj.) Yes Yuki, I probably shouldn't have said that; truth is, a LOT of people fight over religion... and it's just pathetic... I've noticed, most of the 'controversial' conversations are only controversial because of these kind of people: People who ALWAYS have to be right People who love to disagree People who believe everyone has to believe what they believe honestly, if you think about it, the points people make for not doing(or doing)/believing/not believing certain things often have various huge holes in them, however they choose to be ignorant and stubborn and not admit to those holes(or fix them) and thus the topic becomes controversial It's perfectly fine to express opinion, but expressing opinion and expecting everyone else to follow YOUR opinion, it takes a mighty large ego to do that... I should know, my little brother has the ego the size of the Titanic (funny, I have the ego the size of a toothpick... wonder how that happened... nevermind...) The point is, basically, it is Human Nature to ALWAYS have someone that disagrees for some reason... and powerful things(or thing SEEN as powerful but not actually that powerful) are disagreed on even more; religion, death penalty, war, and much more are all percieved as powerful in our society(or actually are powerful) thus they are disagreed on non stop. ^^' sorry... I am in a writing mood, but I don't have the story I was working on near me, so I can't finish Chapter I Sigh as you can see I am bored and typing for the sake of releasing that boredom...
Hokage_Nayuki Rank : 565	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 12 21:09 - lol ^^ yup u got watever i wanted to say
Illusion Rank : 171	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 14 13:05 - I agree although I don't know why people believe in gods or god or spirits that protect and serve us. That created everything and things like that.
Hokage_Nayuki Rank : 565	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 14 13:08 - vince...when it comes to religion..i get pissed easy ^^'...never....ever ever say that again without God....we are nothing....and we have only ONE GOD. He created earth in 6 days only. He made us.....the reason y we are alive is becoz He wants to test us and see if we deserve to be in heaven or not
Illusion Rank : 171	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 14 13:10 - Then why give man free will I mean come on we're shallow arrogant pricks who's clever idea was it to give us free will? It's his biggest folly ever he doomed man with it.
Illusion Rank : 171	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 14 13:10 - Then why give man free will I mean come on we're shallow arrogant pricks who's clever idea was it to give us free will? It's his biggest folly ever he doomed man with it.
Hokage_Nayuki Rank : 565	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 14 13:31 - thats y....He is testing us...its written from His words in our Holy Book caed Qur'an that the angels were wondering y was i so hard for us to act right so he allowed 2 angels to try it and they werent able to handle it....
Illusion Rank : 171	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 14 13:33 - Which is why there's more suffering than ever in the world. I try not to cause suffering too but I don't believe I have a chance at getting in heaven anyway. I mean after all I've done anyway I don't honestly think there's a chance to it.
Hokage_Nayuki Rank : 565	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 14 13:56 - there is only one way.....if u turn muslim and go to Hajj and ask for forgiveness and promise never todo them again....u will be pure like a baby just born without any sins....all ur sins will be cleaned this experience helps u gt rid of all the sins u have made in ur past so u can go to heaven in peace
Illusion Rank : 171	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 14 13:58 - Sorry I don't honestly do religeons I can't do em it's like I know em but I hate worshipping as it's basicly them demanding a bribe not to smite us.
Hokage_Nayuki Rank : 565	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 14 14:03 - hmm...well thts the problem...if u dont do it...then u dont deserve it
Illusion Rank : 171	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 14 14:15 - lol That's the thing I'm damned I've tried loads of different religeons I did try muslim for a bit but it didn't work for me
Hokage_Nayuki Rank : 565	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 14 14:21 - how come? i think being muslim is the best we pray for 5 mins 5 times a day if sasaki senpai was here he would gree coz he lives in a muslim country and really once u are there then its not so hard
Illusion Rank : 171	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 14 14:22 - It's nearly impossible for me to pray actually as I can't do it it sounds so forced with me
Hokage_Nayuki Rank : 565	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 14 14:25 - if it is forced then u should never do it....becoz the only prayers that are accepted are the true prayers that are calling out to God from the bottom of our hearts all u need is encouragement and somone to guild u
Illusion Rank : 171	Posted : 1 month, 3 weeks ago at May 14 14:27 - I guess but that's not gonna happen because I question too much.
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